GE’s China Avionics Deal: A Q&A with Lorraine Bolsinger

January 19, 2011

With the news that GE is close to wrapping up its deal to create a new civilian avionics joint venture with China’s AVIC, we asked Lorraine Bolsinger, president and CEO for GE’s Aviation Systems, to explain key portions of the deal and what steps are being taken to prevent unauthorized technology transfer.

GEReports: What is the JV?

Lorraine Bolsinger: It’s a brand new business being created by GE Aviation and AVIC that will create and market commercial integrated avionics systems around the world to such aircraft manufacturers as Boeing, Airbus, China’s COMAC — which is the launch customer with its C919 narrow body jetliner — Bombardier and Embraer. The integrated avioincs system combines technologies in the aircraft that include navigation, cockpit displays, communications, and surveillance, to name a few. The joint venture’s initial focus is to provide integrated avionics system for the C919 aircraft now under development, and to build a global customer and product support infrastructure. Think of the integrated avionics system for an aircraft as much like the operating system on your computer.

GER: Why do a JV?

LB: GE Aviation is the world’s leading jet engine producer, but the company became a significant avionics supplier through the 2007 purchase of Smiths Aerospace. The teaming between AVIC and GE is the result of both companies desiring to become a tier-one, commercial avionics supplier globally, and we are thrilled to have launched our first products and services for the C919 program. GE Aviation has a tremendous relationship with the Chinese aviation industry. GE Aviation already generated revenues of $778 million in 2010 from sales and services in China alone. That figure is expected to grow to $1 billion in 2011. With COMAC anticipating the delivery of more than 2,300 C919 aircraft over the 20-year life of the program, the JV is already off to a strong start.

We also have a history of successful JVs, as this one with AVIC will be the fourth 50/50 joint partnership company for GE Aviation. The other three are CFM International (producer of the most popular jet engine in aviation history), GE Honda Aero Engines (producer of jet engines for small corporate jets), and The Engine Alliance (a JV between GE and Pratt & Whitney which produces engines for the A380.)

Lorraine Bolsinger
Lorraine Bolsinger

GER: What protections are in place to safeguard the technologies?

LB: GE and AVIC are technology companies and place a high value on protecting technology. The JV will be creating new technologies and GE, AVIC and the JV have every interest in protecting intellectual property, which will be a key asset of the venture. GE and AVIC have agreed to ensure the GE AVIC JV establishes a robust compliance plan to guard the technology and ensure that it is used solely for civilian applications.

Importantly, only approved personnel will be employed by the JV and there are strict security measures outlined in our technology control plan, or TCP, such as physically separating the JV from the parent companies and separating the information technology side of the JV from the parents. We’ll also have third party compliance audits conducted at least once a year.

GER: How do you know your safeguards are enough?

LB: During the two and half years we’ve worked on the formation of this JV, we’ve been consulting with the leading experts in global trade and business to ensure full government compliance and the highest level of security with regards to intellectual property and export controls. And we have continued to consult with relevant U.S. government agencies during this process.

GER: Does the US government provide any oversight to this transaction, now or ongoing?

LB: GE’s main contribution to the JV will be what’s called commercial IMA technology, which stands for integrated modular avionics – basically the computing system for the aircraft. Commercial IMA and IMA technology doesn’t require a license for export to most countries, including China. The JV will also supply onboard maintenance systems and display systems to COMAC, but it’s likely that much of this content will be made by the parent companies.

GER: How will you make sure that sensitive technology does not get transferred to the military?

LB: We’ve kept it very clear: No AVIC or person in China who retains military-related responsibilities will be given access to technical data from GE or the JV – and there’s no cross-employment allowed with military or intelligence departments – or with their suppliers. To make sure there is no gray area, AVIC personnel are not allowed to work for the military or be put on a military assignment for two years after leaving the JV.

GER: What does it mean for U.S. jobs?

LB: Even though the JV will be headquartered in Shanghai, the JV will support and maintain at least 300 high-tech jobs each in the US and China as well as a significant number of jobs in the U.K. — and that number is expected to grow. In the U.S, the majority of the jobs supporting the JV will be in Grand Rapids, Michigan; and Clearwater, Florida. In all, GE Aviation’s work in China translates into about 1,800 GE high-technology jobs in the U.S. They involve producing and supporting jet engines for China, as well as developing the new engine and avionics system for the C919.

High-flying: The new avionics company being formed will offer fully integrated, open architecture avionics and services for future commercial aircraft programs, not just those made by China.

* Watch a video featuring new employees working on the JV in our Grand Rapids, Michigan facility


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  • Dan Johnson

    You really think China can be trusted to use this technology only for civilian purposes? With their history of reverse engineering and pirating of products, I think this is a very dangerous joint venture for the security of the United States.

  • Rick Peterson

    To prevent transfer of technology to the Chinese military you have instituted a policy that forbids AVIC employees from working for the military. WOW – now that is security! What happens when some of the key employees don’t live up to your honor system? Oh, that’s right, it is China we are talking about. They can surely be trusted – just look at their new stealth fighter!

  • Patti

    Really? Really? I agree with Dan. The Chinese people are wonderful people, but the government cannot be trusted with this technology. One more point. I will NOT fly on an airplane that carries a “made in China” engine.

  • Bhaskar Gorantla

    I share the same opinion as Dan Johnson. While we may get some short term benefits from this deal, it doesn’t sound like a good long term plan.

  • Jack A. Lope

    The Chinese government has a notorious history of officially condoning theft of intellectual property and outright counterfeiting of foreign technologies. They have an openly stated national desire to progress in advanced technology fields, and they will do anything to achieve that goal. Their commercial and military industries are both owned by the Chinese government, and will work with each other exactly as much as the Chinese Communist Party tells them … not to the extent some GE letterhead describes. All of GE’s legal ‘protections’ are worthless with a partner that has no respect for the rule of law. GE is quite knowingly and willingly trading short term revenue growth (and presumably growth of bonuses for key executives) for sending yet another American technology sector overseas.

  • david foster

    “No AVIC or person in China who retains military-related responsibilities will be given access to technical data from GE or the JV … To make sure there is no gray area, AVIC personnel are not allowed to work for the military or be put on a military assignment for two years after leaving the JV.”

    What if they quit and go to work for some Chinese government agency?…do you have enough transparency into the Chinese government apparatus that you know precisely what every agency in the government does and does not do? Indeed, what if they quit and go to work *directly* for the military–what are you going to do? Terminate the JV?

  • Vahid

    One word: Xenophobia.

    It is impossible to prevent civilian technologies being used for military purposes. To suggest that the Chinese government is any more corrupt than the US is simply naive.

  • Rick Kennedy

    After reading the comments above, you would think GE Aviation has never done business in China before. GE and CFM International have been selling high-technology jet engines to China since the mid-1980s. The relationship has been fabulous. The GE/AVIC joint venture is a new step forward, and trust me, GE has taken extraordinary measures to protect its technology. But remember, GE and AVIC will create intellectual property together in this venture. Think about CFM International — the amazingly success 50/50 joint venture between GE an Snecma of France. At the same time GE and Snecma developed a commercial engine together, the two companies were separately developing competing fighter jet engines. GE Aviation has been doing international joint ventures for almost 40 years, and we know how to protect our technology. GE will have a governing board overseeing the IP protection for the GE/AVIC venture.

  • Lloyd Thompson

    Rick’s comment remind me that the same concerns were voiced about our proposed CFM JV with the French in the early 1970′s. It required protocols to be approved and signed by then President Nixon. I am a strong believer in the power of interconnected & mutually reliant business and artistic endeavors to move the world closer to a peaceful environment. In addition, “it’s the jobs (on both sides), stupid!.

  • Patrick

    I see 2 points laid out above-
    one trusts the Chineese government-and is based on worshiping the return on investment

    the other is simple concern about giving an unknown global power (new to the table that they are) access to tech that can easily be used against us as a country and many other western based economies and countries that exist in this world-

    this is foolish

    we have proped up GE for far too long as tax payers as they have exiisted primarily on US gov co tracts to get to where they are.

    They have taken the 2nd largest amt of $ as a non bank entity in the recent “stimulous” plan-

    And now- under terrible leadership- their stock price is down and were suppose to green light them as they chase returns while dancing with The Dragon- when we have no idea how that global power will evolve???

    Dangerous game- that can’t be denied-

    pay attention folks- those unrully Chineese generals ate itchy…..

    Jus sayn-

    Honesty is the best approach- pretty clear who the GE employees are on this thread- Americans- real ones are also easily ID’d.

  • GMR

    GE has sold engines in China before – true – but this JV goes a GIANT step further. GE and AVIC will be partnering to design and manufacture jet engine systems in China. GE will be showing China how to produce these systems, not simply puchase them. To actually belives this will NOT improve China’s capability to then manufacture military jet engines, would require, as our current Secretary of State once said, “A willful suspension of disbelief”. I am amazed that GE was able to secure the appropriate export licenses to allow this JV to be established…

  • STEVEN

    I have read every single comment above and believe there is a valid concern with China using our Aviation Technology for their Military. I work directly on this program and I can say that there are many U.S. and foreign companies have established JVs with China. GE is not the sole supplier of Avionics and Technologies for the COMAC C919. Rockwell Collins, Honeywell, Hamilton Sundstrand, MOOG, EATON etc. just to name a few are supply avionics and aircraft related technologies to COMAC and have setup similar JVs with AVIC. If GE ever choses to withdraw, our competitors are quite happy to jump in.

    GE is a global company and we have businesses all over the world. It makes perfect sense to go beyond our borders to countries like China and India, where the growth is. I worked for a few major companies listed above prior to GE and I can say from experience that GE is extremely sensitive when it comes to government compliance and technology transfer outside the U.S. On the JV, GE is spending more money on security infrastructure and process to ensure our IP and Technologies are protected than I have ever seen on any program during my aviation career. While it’s true that no security system is bullet proof, it will certainly make it very difficult access.

    Like it or not, there will be more and more U.S. corporations doing business overseas and we should not be afraid or apprehensive of this relationship but instead embrace it. The world is a better place with company like GE bringing technology and know-how to places like India and China to better life.
    Opportunity will come and goes but the right one may not come again. Now is the opportunity. Now is the time.

  • ValidFib

    Remember when everyone tired to stop the Loral Corp from working with the Chicoms but our Pres (Clinton allowed it to go through and the result is Chinna has our missle guidence technology? The same thing will happen here… pray for America y’all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jamesron.foo Jamesron Foo

    IBM joint venture with Huawei ten years ago, ( technically you are create your own competition to competing with IBM), now huawei become IBM rivalry, As the saying goes…… you earning a chicken, but in the end you losing a pig , This time now,GE wanted to repeat IBM businees model again, U.S never learn.